Comments on: Transgression http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/2010/01/12/transgression/ Games, turtles and other things Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:18:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Vivien http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/2010/01/12/transgression/comment-page-1/#comment-320 Vivien Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:16:52 +0000 http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/?p=43#comment-320 I guess I just have very rare instances where I can completely fall into that space. Most games simply don't engage me enough to let everything fall away and just exist in that space. I think the last one that really did that for me was Okami. Most games are built so much to fit the twitch factor for hardcore gamers or with rigid conversation trees that it leaves those of us with a desperate need for a good story merged with an intuitive system in the dust. I hope you are right that the hardcore gamer begins to disappear, but I most look forward to the day when the game designers are no longer hardcore gamers too. I guess I just have very rare instances where I can completely fall into that space. Most games simply don’t engage me enough to let everything fall away and just exist in that space. I think the last one that really did that for me was Okami. Most games are built so much to fit the twitch factor for hardcore gamers or with rigid conversation trees that it leaves those of us with a desperate need for a good story merged with an intuitive system in the dust. I hope you are right that the hardcore gamer begins to disappear, but I most look forward to the day when the game designers are no longer hardcore gamers too.

]]> By: Joe Tortuga http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/2010/01/12/transgression/comment-page-1/#comment-318 Joe Tortuga Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:03:29 +0000 http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/?p=43#comment-318 Well, if I had to answer honestly about gaming, I'd say that all games allow us to enter into a liminal space. One of the key works on games, Huizinga's 'Homo Ludens' [note to self: rich text editor on comments], defines the space wherein we play games as a "Magic Circle". It's defined by the rules of the game, and the play within it. I don't think it's all that different than calling quarters/elements and casting a ritual circle. Getting a more intense experience where the liminality is more pronounced, though, would be an interesting exercise. I think that flow is one expression of it, but not the only one, if my pen and paper experiences are accurate. Well, if I had to answer honestly about gaming, I’d say that all games allow us to enter into a liminal space. One of the key works on games, Huizinga’s ‘Homo Ludens’ [note to self: rich text editor on comments], defines the space wherein we play games as a “Magic Circle”.

It’s defined by the rules of the game, and the play within it. I don’t think it’s all that different than calling quarters/elements and casting a ritual circle. Getting a more intense experience where the liminality is more pronounced, though, would be an interesting exercise. I think that flow is one expression of it, but not the only one, if my pen and paper experiences are accurate.

]]> By: Vivien http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/2010/01/12/transgression/comment-page-1/#comment-317 Vivien Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:23:02 +0000 http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/?p=43#comment-317 Kira used to talk about this liminal space. I think, to some degree, most of the friends I have surrounded myself with live a life trying to find those spaces in which to exist. To me, it feels a little like being in a blank room in the Matrix. You know there are rules still there, but you still feel like you could stretch forever and never find walls. You are oxymoronically cozy in an infinite space. From small moments like escaping into books of fantasy or forbidden conversations at 4AM to large life decisions like polyamory, I find myself seeking these spaces. Sometimes they can almost feel like a drug. If you can apply that to gaming, then let me know. I'll buy whatever your selling. :-) Kira used to talk about this liminal space. I think, to some degree, most of the friends I have surrounded myself with live a life trying to find those spaces in which to exist. To me, it feels a little like being in a blank room in the Matrix. You know there are rules still there, but you still feel like you could stretch forever and never find walls. You are oxymoronically cozy in an infinite space. From small moments like escaping into books of fantasy or forbidden conversations at 4AM to large life decisions like polyamory, I find myself seeking these spaces. Sometimes they can almost feel like a drug. If you can apply that to gaming, then let me know. I’ll buy whatever your selling. :-)

]]> By: Joe Tortuga http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/2010/01/12/transgression/comment-page-1/#comment-314 Joe Tortuga Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:05:17 +0000 http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/?p=43#comment-314 Goddess knows I had plenty of caffeine before I wrote the post in the first place. Goddess knows I had plenty of caffeine before I wrote the post in the first place.

]]> By: SexyWife http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/2010/01/12/transgression/comment-page-1/#comment-313 SexyWife Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:00:55 +0000 http://www.cultoftheturtle.com/?p=43#comment-313 I want to comment intelligently, but I am limited by the blood in my coffee stream. I want to comment intelligently, but I am limited by the blood in my coffee stream.

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